I visit all the “interesting” places….

Well, don’t ask me why, but I was over at Amanda Marcotte’s site reading about that asshole who shot a bunch of people in Norway.

Anyways, I read the comment thread and this jumped out:

“One of the worst crimes of kyriarchy is that it stunts the imaginations of people who buy into it. They become unable to conceive of a relationship that doesn’t involve domination in some sense. The key link between anti-feminism and and anti-immigrant sentiment is that they both depend on viewing society as a zero-sum game—in order for one group to gain in influence and respect, everyone else has to lose. If women gain more freedoms, they must be taking them away from men; if immigrants get jobs and homes, they must be stealing them from natives. If you’re not on top, then you must be on the bottom.”

Comment #31: David Paul on 07/28 at 08:48 AM

Just before that, I was at Simon Rierdon’s site, reading about race. More specifically, violence perpetrated against white victims by black attackers in flash mobs. Now, this seems to be almost the opposite of the previous article where Marcotte suggested misogyny may have been the root of Breivik’s killing spree. She goes on to say, “All bigotry provokes violence at its ends, of course.”

However, I do see a common link…

In both cases, the “victimizer” saw the victims as somehow responsible for their failures and refused to take responsibility for their own lot in life. They put the people they victimized into a class that they blamed for all of their shortcomings. These individuals allow themselves to view the “other” as their oppressor class. By dehumanizing the “other” they can destroy the “other” without guilt. Granted, they may be sociopath’s who are incapable of guilt in the first place.

Easily Enthused wrote a post awhile back about being attacked by black men. He also compared it and contrasted it to the infamous Schrodinger’s Rapist article. He talks about how being attacked left him in a state of anxiety for along time and that it caused him to have apprehensions about “thuggish” looking black men. He even carried a weapon for protection and was ready for a round two that never came about. He states, “And eventually I came to the realization: those guys who attacked us almost a decade ago weren’t evil thuggish black men. They were people who did a bad thing.” I’d recommend reading his Schrodinger’s Racist as well as the Schrodinger’s Rapist.

One quote that I saw on a videogame:

He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.

3 thoughts on “I visit all the “interesting” places….

  1. Thanks for the links. Interesting articles, which if they were all put together would likely come closer to the truth then anything any one of them say individually. People’s prejudices and motivations are fluid and I’ve never had much time for the argument “they only did what they did because of society/sexism/racism” etc. Personal choice is forefront and people make choices about how they behave and what they do or don’t do. That can be influenced by outside forces but ultimately it’s an individual choice.

    I found it depressing that Easily Enthused pretty much took responsibility for being attacked, as if it was his fault (though glad that he seems to have realised he did that, if the comments are anything to go by). I’m a believer in the inherent decency of people – but I also know that some people are just arseholes. They will always be arseholes. The world could be a wonderful place where no one is ever discriminated against, or goes hungry and everyone has as much chance to succeed as anyone else and they would still be arseholes. The guys that attacked him were arseholes; I know this because of what they did. Personaly I believe that they would have attacked him regardless of how he behaved.

    The problem in Schrodinger’s Rapist is that you can end up treating someone as if they’re an arsehole when they might not be. Then again I agree with the basic point that we should respect each other’s signals and communication, even it’s not what what we expected or hoped for. It’s tricky, as I have experienced much of what that post talks about (unwanted advances and the person not taking the hint and becoming a problem) so find I agree with it generally. My only problem with it is the assumption that this is a purely male “problem” – there are some lesbians out there just as aggressive and clueless, and being hit on by one of them is no different. Trust me…

    1. Hi Alexa,

      Thanks for the comments. I probably should’ve stated in the article that each of the referenced articles made me uncomfortable to some degree and that there are things I find “problematic” within each–but they can be a catalyst for good discussions/debates….

      Also, in regards to David Paul’s statement, I took that to be a critique of any system that has people see the world in black and white/ oppressed vs. oppressing class/good vs. evil–this simple-mindedness creates a skewed vision of the world. Such a narrow view of the world can be a problem whether said person is a feminist or anti feminist…

      1. Now what you mean about the opressed vs. oppressing class argument. In London, buildings are burning, people have lost their homes and businesses and some a-holes are STILL trying to explain/excuse the criminal’s actions as being a result of under-privilege and under-representation, and think the “rioters” deserve sympathy. Already had one argument on Twitter about it, and am resisting to get involved with more…

        Yet another side effect of pandering to people and spreading a message of “it’s not your fault you’re a shithead, it’s society’s”.

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