….but I was only following orders….

Creepy Crawly Advocatus Diaboli has an interesting article

He compares modern corporate culture to the Nazi’s and mentions how many will do unethical things because their higher ups said to do so….

“You know something else.. after being caught doing all those horrible things (which they knew were horrible) they would initially express surprise at the ‘true nature’ of their job. They would go on to blame corporate culture, bad leadership and the need for obtaining timely promotions for justifying their actions. However they would show considerable pride in the quality of their work, even if that work was murdering a few million people who they barely knew. They would then try to tell you that they were good family men (or women) just trying to earn a good pay and timely promotions. All of this would be said with great sincerity and earnestness- largely because they actually believe in everything they told you.”

I mentioned in the comments, that he already knew this, experiments showed that people would obey an authority figure and administer electric shocks to others. Diablo mentioned this was the Milgram Experiment. Stanley Milgram wrote:

“The legal and philosophic aspects of obedience are of enormous importance, but they say very little about how most people behave in concrete situations. I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects’ [participants’] strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects’ [participants’] ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not. The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation.

Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.”

Now these people are simply becoming agents of the system, losing their humanity in the process…. Joseph Campbell was a guy who studied myths and he described Darth Vader as a tragic character who lost his humanity by becoming a bureaucrat–“living not in terms of himself but in terms of an imposed system.” He lost his identity by serving his lord. His becoming a machine was a metaphor for his undeveloped humanity. Stepping over to the dark side was merely losing his soul for the Republic.

Crappy places like the Good Man Project tell you to “man up” and be of service to others but they never tell you to listen to the voice inside and see if this is what’s best for you or your code of ethics. You might be faced with a dilemma where you are told to be a team player and go against your nature. History has many stories of those who resisted the system from the Underground Railroad to those who helped Jews escape Nazi Germany in World War II. For me, MGTOW has bigger implications than not marrying. It means not becoming a soldier for the oil companies. It means walking out of the experiment when they tell you to electrocute a puppy. It means resisting unethical authority figures and blind obedience…

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