….above my paygrade….

This is a random theory I’ve had for some time now…

I’m not a historian nor do I have a solid background in statistics…

This is just a wild guess…

Back in the day, more girls than boys made it to adulthood. Also, more men were killed in wars or dangerous jobs. A man who made it to adulthood and earned a decent wage would have good prospects should he want to marry. Many women feared becoming spinsters or “cat ladies.” People would have several children as one might die of TB and another might be maimed in a farming accident. And many women died giving birth….

Perhaps this mating inequality along with other factors led the growth of women’s movements/feminism…

As things change, ie more boys relative to girls survive to adulthood and less men are killed in wars and on the job, average and lower status men have a much more difficult time finding a mate…

Perhaps this mating inequality along with other factors leads to the growth of men’s rights/MGTOW….


13 thoughts on “….above my paygrade….

  1. While not the direct causes I can imagine them being contributing factors.

    On both sides I think its a case of realizing that the reason(s) for the types of lives their gender lived were influenced by necessity and culture but once the necessity was dealt with the culture was still trying to influence maybe.

    As for males I wonder if there is something to what you say about more boys making it to adulthood. Not as likely to die (by war, on the job, or other means) meaning that more of them were living and thus the underlying issues they were suffering became more prevalent.

    Take child abuse for example. How often do we see stories of adult men finally talking about abuse they suffered as young boys. Several decades ago (when the life expectancy of a man was lower than what it is now) most of those guys would not have lived long enough to speak up in their later years.

  2. Without a more in depth, inside-the-numbers analysis, it is merely a plausible theory. Which is a good starting point for any research project.

    One area where you need to go into depth is the relationship of “boys dieing (war, job)” leading to “mating inequality” “leading to feminism”. I think the first two are pretty well documented, but to understand how those two factors lead to feminism would be bridging a mighty gulf. When you consider the statistic that approx 80% of women have borne children while only 20% of men have sired children, there’s an inequality there, but in the womens’ favor. In that case, they hardly needed a movement, excpet to maybe help out the 20% of women who didn’t bear children.

    So I remain skeptical about that, but I am willing to see where you take that.

    1. yes, as to the point that 80% beared children… back in the day a man could marry, his wife may die in childbirth, he could then remarry if there were plenty of available women. (That would account for some perhaps.)

    2. and this is an aside, but something I noticed IRL, I knew a divorced guy who wore his wedding ring, ladies would comment on it all the time. Seems like these women would find a divorced man more attractive than a never married man.

      1. In Norway there is an decrease in the number of childless men and women, but the number of childless men decrease at a higher rate. There is however an increase in the number of men having children with more than one women.

      2. Wedding ring= social proofing. At least one woman found this man to be worthy, now all other women must take notice. It was the oldest trick in the 80s and 90s to wear a wedding band whether youv’e ever been married or not.

    1. Regarding Seinfeld:

      Did it reflect bad behaviour or did this show promoted it? Maybe both?

      Referring to your friend, I would like to know if it was necessary for him to lie whenever he was questioned about his mariatial state.

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