Political implications of MGTOW

So we’ve seen the so-called M(h)RM go from being “right wing leaning” to being “left wing leaning” and now the pendulum swings back as Captain Capitalism and Auruni seem to be throwing in their support of the AVfM crowd. Many have said politics should be left out of the MRM. On the surface that seems fine…

Isn’t there that ole phrase feminist’s throw around, “The personal IS political.”

Anyways, the M(h)RM’s political views likely have more to do with branding than with well thought out ideology. IE “real men” drink scotch, smoke tobacco and eat processed meats because it is “masculine.”

We can talk about gynocentrism, but soon we will be talking about politics and how systems enforce cultural values. To me it would be absurd to call oneself MGTOW and participate within the US Warmachine or within law enforcement. How can a man sign up for military conscription when he will be sent to kill other men for oil? How can a man sign up for law enforcement when he will enforce unfair and often unjust laws? Eventually interaction with the world at large will inform one’s worldview and to say one is apolitical is to say one hasn’t thought about the world that surrounds them and how they fit in. I am a rock, I am an island-I only wish it were true. I am part of a framework and I can be sentient or an unthinking cog. I believe we have free will but very limited freedom within our circumstances. Yes, I could easily step beyond my paygrade. However, back to earth. Barbarossa insightfully compared marriage to signing up for military service. I believe this analogy has more weight than most realize as in signing both contracts one surrenders autonomy to the will of others. One’s future is no longer one’s own if truly it ever was. Logic follows logic. I personally have no interest in purity or a litmus test, however, voluntary military service is as un-MGTOW as voluntary marriage. One must see that any men’s right’s should place the liberty of the individual to never face forced military conscription as higher priority than petty arguments with feminists. Not all womyn are like that, haha, not all Warmachines are like that, not all governments are like that. Just take a chance and marry a slu..,err, let combat make a man out of you as you bleed out in a trench or try to dull your pain with alcohol years after the fact as the horrors of war still torment you…

This is a bigger piece of why traditionalist women who want to keep men working long hard hours and send young men and boys to their deaths in far off lands should not be welcomed into any pro-male spaces. It’s just another side of the coin of feminist’s endless bashing of low status men.

People talk about MGTOW being libertarian. I have had distasteful arguments with so-called libertarians. While on the surface I may espouse some libertarian values as I think drugs and prostitution should be decriminalized, most libertarians seem to strike me as “winner take-all, if you ain’t rich you ain’t shit, now pull yourself up by the bootstraps you worthless piece of shit” big business Republicans in disguise. Truth be told, my values are probably closer to that of an anarchist. Yeah, keep on reading that libertarian shit, it sounds like poor people are to these motherfuckers what Nice Guys are to bigoted feminists. But some how all those libertarians ain’t above taking a government bailout as soon as they whether a tough year. Just like all those independent womyn aren’t so independent when they start crying “Where have all the good men gone?” Just like I don’t expect to see any feminists on a sinking ship, I don’t expect to see any libertarians around when the only work is back breaking labor for pennies on the dollar.

Tales of a Cam Grrrllll

Well, a few days ago when I was reading Rollins shame sandwich about suicide, I stumbled onto this…

http://www.laweekly.com/arts/i-was-a-web-cam-performer-5163525

I don’t know if the empowered womyn who wrote this considers herself a feminist but it looks like she thinks men are pieces of shit…

at one point, she invites the cable guy into one of her cam shows…

” One day, I was at home working when all of a sudden my internet unexpectedly dropped. I was in the middle of a show, and by this point, I lived a half-turned-on/half brain-dead existence. A young and attractive cable/internet boy arrived at my door. He was in one room of my apartment fixing the router, and I was in the trying to log into the wireless. Once I was able to, I told my viewers that there was a hot internet guy in the other room and hit the “Gold Show” button. A Gold Show occurs when you list something (anything) that you are willing to do for a certain amount of money. You then get bidders willing to pay up to see it. I titled the show “Should I Seduce The Cable Guy?” and set the amount for $500 bucks. Almost instantly, I got a bidder for $600.

The Gold Show started and the Internet boy came in to my room to tell me he was finished. My heart was racing with so much extreme adrenaline I could have orgasmed right there. I told him, “You know, I actually do webcam and would love to fuck around with you while streaming, would you be down?” He stared at me, then crept over to me like some kind of slow-motion porn. I began to blow him, then he fingered me until I came, and I collected my $600.”

Well, I wonder what the ethics of this are. She is collecting money, but the “performance” couldn’t have occurred without the cable guy…

According to this Cable guys average about $13 an hour.

She quit her oppressive job as a server, now in CA servers must be paid minimum wage plus tips. It’s hard to figure out if she made more money than the cable guy or not. But one might think that she could feel some sympathy to his plight. She likely just saw him as a walking hard-on. And feminists say it is men that objectify womyn…

Obviously, the cable guy “consented” to this. I’m not gonna twist this into some story about rape like an M(h)RA. The guy coulda said no or asked if he could be compensated financially…

and, if she did pay him, I suppose there are some legal things about prostitution, but I ain’t a lawyer…

Uber Macho, Left Wing M(h)RA Dean Esmay Outcusses James Hetfeild–to Bad He Can’t Play Geetar…..

So, I remember that when I was a little kid, I thought Metallica was badass. It wasn’t just the palm muted chords played through powerful amps. It wasn’t just Lars Ulrich’s very creative drumming with questionable timing. It wasn’t just Cliff Burton’s wah pedal and bell-bottoms (but that was a HUGE part.) I thought James Hetfeild was the toughest tough guy because every other word he said was Fuck.

Here’s a video where he talks about cussing…

Now, here’s hyper-masculine, high testosterone, alpha male Dean Esmay at AVfM:

“Some of these motherfuckers–whom I have always believed to be a minority of MGTOW, and stiil do–have been taking cheap shots at us for a couple of years now. Most of what this fringe minority say about us is lies, and we’ve either calmly pointed out the lies assuming in good faith they were just mistakes or misunderstandings, or ignored it. We finally call bullshit on this fringe minority of MGTOW who dominate YouTube comments, and they say “aha, see all along you hated MGTOW!”

No we don’t you motherfucking shitfaced liars. We just say “no thank you” to the tiny fringe of you who’ve grown toxic stewing in your own shit and flinging monkey poo at anyone who dares disagree with you on something.

I have a reputation for being a “diplomat.” But I’m only a diplomat when I believe that I’m dealing with someone who honestly wants to argue a point in good faith. Enough lies and abuse, and I’m done being nice and you can suck my fucking dick.

I am proud to know, work with, and support many MGTOW, but these other, toxic motherfuckers need to be called out for their abusive lies, their cultivated hatred, and especially their pseudoscience. The more I think about it, the more it’s obvious that this isn’t a “rift.” It’s a necessary housecleaning that we’ve waited too long to get done.

Here’s a clue: If you’re a “MGTOW” who is shitting on a book you haven’t even fucking read? You’re one of the PiGTOW, and fuck you, asshole.”

Hehe, maybe it was because there wasn’t a guitar plugged into a Mesa Boogie, or maybe he wasn’t chugging beer. But Esmay’s words don’t impress me the way Hetfeild’s did when I was 13. Dean, dudebroe, do ya even play geetar? Oh, wait, is that shaming language? Cod Red, Code Red….

C’mon now, I’m just having some fun. Dean, we’re not laughing with you, we’re laughing at you. Ooops, must be my dyslexia, I reversed what I was supposed to say and accidently said what I meant to say. Must be my lack of erudition….

Now I remember someone saying about feminists that when they didn’t have an argument that they would resort to anger and insults because, like their girly brains couldn’t handle logic to formulate a cohesive argument, donchya know. But, Dean I know that’s not what you are doing here, because you are like soooooooo rational. Your IBM brain and your extra Y chromosome means you excrete fermented gold bricks of logic faster than I can tie my shoes. You think in 1’s and zero’s and you only string together fuckittyfuckfuckfuck just so us mere mortals won’t suspect that you are really the bionic man. The fabled Iron Man to save us from our own stupid fates. Or maybe you are just like the feminists. And their insults have nothing to do with bird sized gurrly brains. Maybe it’s just because you know your ideology is losing, that your BS movement hasn’t even accomplished as much as a good bowel movement. Joke, what do you call a feminist that says, “Bitch, cunt, whore, cocksucker and mangina?” Puncline, an M(h)RA. Hahaha–I’m the only one laughing, that’s because I just told the truth and tried to make a thinly veiled insult look like humor. Hahaha, I’m still laughing, remember, it ain’t over ’til the low status male sings. Uh, I’d rather play guitar….

And as far as the comment about sucking your hugiferous love serpent… Thanks but no thanks. Is that misandry or homophobia to turn ya down? I’m not gay, but even if I was, I’d have better taste in men than you or Jack Donovan. Even though I’m a pathetic loser straight guy who couldn’t get laid in a third world brothel with a handful of fifties, I’d still turn down Jodie Arias or Amanda Marcotte. I know I can’t explain this to the loveshy/manosphere crowd, but there are much worse things than celibacy.

Anyways, last time I saw Metallica, it was great. Hetfeild hardly talked. He’d address the audience and introduce musicians. But he was there to play guitar. And they played Orion. And I was happy….

I grew up, and Metallica got old and Elam and Esmay haven’t done a thing for low status men and boys…

Thanks to Spany Get for pointing out Esmay’s Drama Queen, er King(oh, sorry, lord Elam I know your the King, please don’t send your stormpuppies after me) Prince antics. These articles just write themselves. I wish I could say I was drunk or stoned, but I think I just don’t care like I used to….

More lies from the Elam Spin Machine…

“The first important distinction here is to point out clearly that there is no rift between AVFM and the MGTOW philosophy. AVFM supports MGTOW, the marriage strike, ghosting and permanent bachelorhood, along with every other phenomenon now visible in a culture of men who have seen through the façade of the Matrix and opted for the road less traveled.”

:What we (and by we I mean all those who subscribe to the AVFM mission) do not support is class hatred, gender supremacy and gender ideology. Those would be the very things that have come to characterize a strident minority of men who have taken up the MGTOW banner as a flag of war against women and all men who disagree with them. It is ultimately, like all forms of “justified” hate, a war on themselves and a war on young men sucked into the pit of their perpetual acrimony.”

MGTOW is not a sinking ship…yet

Do you not see what Elam is doing here? He is setting up a dichotomy where “his” way is the right way and those that don’t yield to his authority are misogynists. And of course his boy, Captain Capitalism is basically saying that MGTOW’s are sexless losers. And, shit, in my case it might be true but it’s really none of your business. But here’s something for you, go read Captain Capitalism, and Paul Elam and Judgy Bitch. Then read my stuff. Look at whose dropping cunt, bitch and whore every 5 seconds. Whose the misogynist now? I already know the counter argument, Well, ah you just have better rhetorical discipline but we can mindread your kyriarchical misogyny of the highest order.

Later on, he quotes one of his old articles…

“In that light, the path they are on is not really the road to manhood, but simply a retreat from the effacing malice woven into the very fabric of their developmental lives. And it takes them not to safe ground, but directly into a dismal culture of shallowness and self-indulgence; a realm of options without obligations; of self-gratification without self-awareness or self-discipline. It is the death march of the western male, destined for a withering end ensured by intellectual, psychological and moral atrophy.”

Where have we heard this before? Is Elam trying to make you a “good man”? Is this some of the “man-up” bullshit that Kay Hymowitz and all the other trad cons try to bully men with? Is he next going to say “Don’t ask what your country can do for you, Instead ask what you can do for Paul Elam.” Is he going to try to define manhood and then shit all over anyone who disagrees with his authoritarian viewpoints?

Okay, so I’m pointing out the problems with his “leadership.” But do I have a plan? No, I never said I did, but I’m not here with snake oil asking for donations either…

…my guess as to where the M(h)RM is headed….

Well, it is obvious that many men have withdrawn all support against AVfM and are even working actively against them–and these are not male feminists one bit. Proof can be seen with all the 1 star rating with Elam’s MigToe ™ “book.”

A few years back, the MRA-before they used the h were seen as “right wing leaning.”

Recently, they have headed in a more “left wing” direction…

While surely a few men were put off by Bernard Chapin’s “right wing views”–Elam has probably lost even more followers from Esmay’s “left wing views.” Now he has another “right winger” doing video’s for him-that’s Captain Capitalism. My guess is he is going to try to offer the fig leaf back to Bernie Chapin and will likely be ignored if not ridiculed.

My guess is they will also try to be more inclusive. This would possibly mean featuring articles by a gay white nationalist like Jack Donovan. If they were to make such a move, the politicians at AVfM would say, “okay maybe he said one or two bad things but his analysis on masculinity is excellent.” This inclusiveness would also likely add more traditionalist women to the roster. This inclusiveness would not be the inclusiveness the so-called left leaning encourage. AVfM would still be a place for upper middle class middle aged white men to cry about how “oppressed” they are. From my viewpoint it’s more about class than race. When is the last time you’ve seen Elam talk about the unfair treatment many men, not just minorities receive from the police. It is occasionally mentioned, but not often.

My guess is they will continue to berate MGTOW’s who don’t kotow as MGTOW +. While MGTOW’s have always had the “sexless loser” term thrown at them, they will also likely be accused of being anarchists. All while the AVfM crowd tries to self-label as libertarian all while begging for donations…

I find it ironic that as AVfM asks for donations, they hurl insults at the SPLC and their golden faucets. AVfM doesn’t have the transparency of a non-profit. This doesn’t guarantee that they are miss using the money, however, I personally would not donate. Likely we will not know where the money is going. But it is possible that as someone like JtO is expelled from AVfM, they will offer some of the inside scoop. We haven’t seen any real world results in regards to their “activism.” They have not freed wrongly imprisoned men like the Innocence Project has. Even on the rare chance that someone stumbles onto a well written article at AVfM, it is likely a piece that was originally published somewhere else by a writer sustaining themselves by their own efforts.

It’s kind of fascinating as an outsider to watch what I believe are structural cracks beyond repair…

It’s also fascination to watch M(h)RA’s rally against so-called Social Justice Warriors when they use the same strategies. That is colonize spaces they didn’t create and then demand those spaces adapt to their rules and world views. That also includes heavy handed moderation in their comments section and berating those who disagree with insults. That also includes authoritarian behaviors from the leadership.

This isn’t any organization I would rally behind. In my view, they are doing far more harm than good…

Hahahaha….

So, when you find a “sex party” on Craigslist, yup it’s as sketch as you think it’d be-but if you enjoy people watching it can be as funny as hell…

Likely I would’ve stayed home and dusted off some old video games if this wasn’t BYOB-they say all the parties that aren’t NYE have a strict no alcohol policy…

Strangely enough (or not as I understand most of these are)–this was at a private home and not a club…

Comedy of comedy–I ran into people I knew…

“Hehe, nice seeing YOU here-that’ll be funny telling Jay where I saw ya. But once Jay knows, the whole world knows.”

“Hehe, and he’ll tell everyone YOU were here.”

“Uh, we can just keep our mouths shut, but Jay would have a field day…”

And then there were the tranny’s or were they cross dressers, or were they real womyn ™….

Fuck if I know but I’m sure the creeps from Return of Kings and Manboobz will skool me if I don refer to them as “Zie,” “Zhang,” “Zir,” or “Zit.” –wouldn’t want to be guilty of kyriarchical transmisandry of the highest order, I think AVfM would put me on some kind of murder list if that happened.

Remember when you though tranny was just a part of your car? Hehe, miss those days?

Anyways, I may have met some real denizens of the man-0-sphere as there were no shortage of “masculine” men to go into dark rooms with the empowered men walking a mile in her shoes.

Then, uh, I surely met a male feminist. He told me how he found a drunk girl, but asked over and over that she was “alright.” I told him there was a little guy checking him out. He responded, “Yeah, I felt that vibe, I’m pansexual.” Okay, whatever floats your boat, understudy of Hugo Schwyzer. I passed by the drunk girl, and shit, she looked outta it. Let’s just say if I was casting for a Zombie movie, she would get the lead. Maybe she had more than just liquor, maybe some oxycontin… A little later he along with another male feminist had Zombie Girl in a corner and were jamming their dicks into her mouth all while asking if she was “alright.” Glad to see chivalry ain’t dead.

Then someone must’ve lit up a joint. That familiar ole smell hit my nostrils. And, uh, it wasn’t good shit. And people started complaining, “You cahn’t mix drugs and a sex party–it’s uh, asking for calamity, mahn.” Haha, can’t we all just get along. Then this cute mixed girl gives me a smile. It’s the “I know you know whose got da weed” smile. But I’m sure a PUA/Male feminist will tell me it’s much more and I should’ve “escalated.”

Then I ran into another guy I knew and a few girls I didn’t know. And the conversation revolved around flogging and renaissance fairs and other things that left me feeling lost. And then one of the girls asked, “Have we met before?”

And I didn’t know what to say so I said, “whoa, maybe in a past life???”

And then she gave me that condescending smile that seemed to say, “Who let the idiot into the party?”

And then people asking me what I was into, and I said “psychadelic mushrooms.” and “Playing my guitar and amp loud, so loud that my back teeth rattle.”

And I got more of those condescending smiles with a look of “someone just pooped their pants.”

Uh, riiiiight, I think I’m figuring out the unspoken sex party code. Drugs don’t mix with sex parties mahn–not unless you are Zombie Girl with the helpful male feminists. Talk about whips and chains, this is your place man. But shrooms–leave that for the full moon when you want to pretend your a wolf man. And yeah, I am missing those warm summer nights with the moonlight like no one knows.

And, yeah, I’ve seen enough ROK guys hook up with “real women, genetically born XY, because like misandry.” And there are womyn willing to hit me but I think if I liked that, I’d have a much better relationship with Mommy. And then it dawns on me, no matter what the manuresphere, alpha male feminist dudebroes say… Well, if you can’t afford a high class prostitute, there are many things much worse than celibacy for 2015. Goddamn, I miss shrooms and warm summer nights…