the “career trajectory” of snake oil salesmen…

Okay, a few years back, let’s say 2012, there was a meet-up with Roosh and several denizens of the man-o-sphere.  After this meet-up several blogs shut down…  I don’t think it was fear that they would be doxxed by feminists but the reality that they were surrounded by scam artists and snake oil salesmen.  In fact, I think I saw a few comments left by a man who went by the handle Bronan the Barbarian as a testament to this.  (Bronan the Barbarian, if you are still around, I’d love to see you comment here as you “were at ground zero” and I’m an outsider-let me know the real deal.)

My guess as to what happened is that allot  of these guys saw the reality and by not being high on the dark triad, didn’t want to keep on blogging and mislead people.  Around this time also, we saw a re-branding where PUA was out and “game” was in.  A little while later we would see other re-brandings such as “neomasculinity” and the MRA’s now calling themselves MHRA’s.  (What was that about, were they trying to trick drag racing fans into Men’s Rights Activism?)

We would all see guys like Roosh and Heartiste move further away from “pick-up” and more and more into territory such as “the dark enlightenment,” “HBD” and “race realism.”

My guess is this… There is only so much you can say on picking up women.  Do what you can to “look good.”  That might be lifting weights or buying nice clothes.  Other things such as height and facial symmetry have more to do with winning the genetic lottery and short of (possibly dangerous) surgery, there really ain’t much you can do.  Anyone who has spent any time in a Boiler room sales position will likely know what I am about to say.  When you are cold calling, there are two things you need to have a chance at succeeding.  Someone on the other end of the line willing to take a cold call and someone on the other end of the line wanting what you are selling.  Of course you will hear “sales managers” talk about “scripts.” While “product knowledge” can certainly help closing a deal, you won’t get your foot in the door without the first two things.  If you think selling iceboxes to Eskimo’s works, I got some Real Estate in Alaska I’d like ta sell ya…  You are much better off looking to work for a company with good reviews selling a much needed product than you are trying to work for a company with a 1 and a half star rating and tons of complaints with the BBB.  But I’m sure the “sales managers” at those companies will just say “you lack confidence.” So you probably see where I am going with this.  A PUA can only give you so much actionable advice.  Either you start going to bars and meet-ups or you don’t.  Either women start finding you attractive or they don’t.  Anyone with half a brain realizes you will only get so far with “canned lines.”  Some guys realize they can “pull women” (and likely never even read a PUA blog.)  Some guys would rather stay home and play video games.  And some guys would rather hire a prostitute and be done with it all.

My speculation is this, Roosh V and Heartiste aren’t the type of fellows that you would want to be good friends with or go into a business partnership with.  But they are shrewd and exceedingly self-serving.  I believe they saw less and less new guys coming to their blog to learn about “pick-up.”  But they saw an angry and loyal following.  And they studies their followers and saw that they were linked to places like GL Piggy, Steve Sailor and VDare.  And they revamped their content to be more in-line with these ideologies so they could “cross-sell” to these guys.  “HBD,” “Race Realism,” “Alt-Right,” “WN,” –heck ya, there’s more to life than banging drunk skanks and avoiding false rape accusations ™ -amirite???  So, uh, yeah, Return of Kings, will like totally explore his complex stuff, brah.  –And now you can see how these guys shifted from “lifestyle” blogs to “culture war” stuff.  It got them more pageviews.

Okay, now here’s another guy, Aaron Sleazy, take a read of this: https://archive.is/RH4kR

Tell me, does this sound Alt-Right to you?  It does to me.

Interesting exchange in the comments…Screen shot 2017-03-07 at 12.13.20 AM

Now, I’ve got to give credit to a commentor who goes by Dick for pointing this out to me at OmegaVirginRevolt, in the comments of this article: http://archive.is/tPNZ0

Screen shot 2017-03-07 at 12.19.27 AM

So he points out that race IS important in dating but somehow KNOWS that a man’s issues ARE NOT because of the ethnicity’s of his parents.  This feels like when a feminist KNOWS that a man’s intentions must be bad but demands that he give her the benefit of the doubt.  Could it be that he is somehow invested in believing that the issues Eurasian Tiger is facing are not because of the ethnicity’s of his parents:

https://longingfordeath.wordpress.com/2017/02/10/racist-white-men-love-asian-women%e2%9d%97%ef%b8%8f/

Now, I believe it is possible for a man of mixed race to grow up healthy.  He needs three things, support from his father and father’s side of the family.  Support from his mother and  mother’s side of the family AND to live in a society that does not discriminate against him harshly.  As a mixed race man myself, I see how hard it is to get by without that.  I have different challenges than Eurasian Tiger, for example I have very thick facial hair and  would likely appear more masculine than most Hapa’s.  However I have darker skin and am more likely to get dirty looks from Law Enforcement or store owners.

Back to Sleazy, why is he moving into an Alt-Right direction?  My best guess is he thinks it will help him monitize products. My observation is all these guys selling “self-help for men” are selling snake oil and doing more harm than good.

4 thoughts on “the “career trajectory” of snake oil salesmen…

  1. One of the better spoofs about the ‘alt-right’… BTW, that Jimmy Dore guy is very anti-HRC and establishment democrats.

    1. it’s funny that I saw a video where Alex Jones antagonized the Young Turds and he was yelling at Mr. InfoWars, the lady was “body shaming” him by calling him a “fat fuck.” It was pretty funny. He is one of the liberals (along with Michael Moore) who understand why their message isn’t appealing but he is still stuck in the “progressive” mindset which really isn’t progressive at all.

  2. This Alpha-Beta-Male thing is utter bullshit. As Ergeniz has pointed out it only serves men stroking their ego and to put themselves above others. It certainly doesn’t help lower status men. What makes me especially angry is that people like Sleazy still push this crap despite knowing pretty well (I assume) that this dichotomy is way too simple for explaining human behavior. After having exposed the PUA community’s fraudulent ways several years ago, Aaron’s output is nothing but basic lifestyle shit and alt-reich. It’s just stupid wankery at this point.

    Another thing is claiming that pulling chicks isn’t worth the effort while using virgin as a derogatory term towards men. Crappy Crap’s turd of a post is a prime example here: http://archive.is/Ph3Y7

    Enough of the intake of their poison, I’m done with it.

    Have nice weekend, folks!

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