By my reasoning, the libertarian/trad con’s who wrote the MGTOW Manifesto would be MGTOW 1.0. Barbarabrowski, Ziggy Stardusk and (Enter the) Sandman would be MGTOW 2.0. I am obviously leaving allot of people out. But I think it is fair to say that those guys failed us.
We can point out how Barbarabrowski took the money and ran when it came to his Miggytau bookypoops. We can point out how Ziggy Stardusk and so many other so-called MGTOW sound allot like the Alt-Reich with their cries “The muzzies are cummin’, the muzzies are cummin’…” We can all laugh at (Enter the) Sandman’s silly Youtube vids.
In my mind, there are two prominent reasons that are connected to the failure of MGTOW 2.0. #1) Monetization of content & #2) a refusal to distance themselves from the manuresphere. I believe these two reasons cross over….
After many MGTOW made it clear that they didn’t want to work with Elam’s AVfM and after doxxings advocated by Aaron Clarey, it seemed logical that the next step for these guys would be to divorce themselves from the manureshere. There were many reasons to do this. According to “red pilled” PUA’s, MGTOW’s were pathetic incel virgins who couldn’t get laid in a whorehouse with a hand full of hundreds. With friends like that, who needs enemies? It would seem logical that after the doxxing, these MGTOW’s would say “Adios, manuresphere.”
That leads me to the next point, when you are trying to monetize something, you need a customer base. Who better than a bunch of guys who buy “nootropics” and get rich quick books? It would be easy for MGTOW 2.0 to tell off the manuresphere if they didn’t need customers. But since they need customers, they stay tethered to the manuresphere:
Yes, Barbarossaa who was doxxed, not by a big, meanie feminist but by the behest of manosphere big wig Aaron Clarey still considers himself part of the manosphere. I left the manosphere behind when I saw it for what it was. It was easy for me to do. I have commentors but no customer base. If a commentor leaves, maybe a new one appears but I don’t have to sacrifice my dignity and say things I don’t believe to “close a deal.” Barbarabrowski, how much abuse do you need to take before you leave those fools behind? Oh, why am I even asking, it’s not like I’m dealing with an individual with integrity. e-Beg for money for your book. Then dissappear. You were cut from the same cloth as those guys. Or maybe, I am insulting those guys. Heh, Clarey and Forney DO have books for sale. They may be awful, but they are available.
This is where I suspect I might get a stray comment or two. But what about the MGTOW on reddit? What about the guys who found good advice? This is where I say we must distinguish between a simple philosophy (don’t get married, don’t cohabitate with women) and personalities trying to make a quick buck and get e-celebrity. I suppose a man may have found actionable advice on a forum or on the occasional youtube video. But he didn’t need to drop cash on someone’s patreon (hatreon?) page for it.
Happy New Years!!!!
and, uh, I just couldn’t help this dig against, hehe, Sandman…