How come feminist’s hate Nice Guys and MGTOW’s more than Men Who Beat Women?

So let’s ignore the fact that in many cases, domestic violence is initiated by the woman. It is understandable that feminist’s would hate men who slap around women. The average man is bigger and stronger-therefore more likely to inflict damage. Well, how come these two other groups are hated worse?

Nice Guys are failing at a traditional role of masculinity by failing to initiate. If you are a traditionalist who believes in strong and divided gender roles, there is no cognitive dissonance to say that a man who fails to initiate is failing at being a man. But if you brand your hate movement as being about equality, well, then you can’t just turn around and make fun of a man who is failing at the traditionally masculine role of initiator. It brings up a shit ton of double standards. Like if men and women are equal/the same-they should make the same at work. They should take the same risks and ask each other out at equal rates. Instead of answering these questions head on, you might just make fun of these guys but try to make it cutesy-wootesy for the internet by putting ™ behind it. Yup, you might come up with weird rationalizations instead of acknowledging your own hypocrisy.

Now, how come MGTOW’s are hated so much? Mr. Black Pill has an article where he mentions that in many articles about dating advice, if a man isn’t currently successful with women, he should “work on himself” and wait a few years–then he will presumably be cleaning up. As Mr. Black Pill labels it, the waiting men are “the Reserves.” In his words, “A man who has dropped out of the reserves can’t be manipulated by women any longer. This is why giving up on women generates more vitrol from women than men who physically abuse women do.”

Just think about it, a man who has dropped out can’t be shamed. He can’t be controlled. Try telling him he is worthless because he doesn’t have a girlfriend. He doesn’t care about your dick measuring contest. He’s just sitting back with a smirk knowing he’s got more money in the bank. Or maybe he doesn’t but he works far less hours and the money he does have goes into his hobbies. He doesn’t care about expensive diners unless he’s gonna treat himself to one. Now the violent man who slaps around a woman might be a beast but he is still controllable. Femmies might pretend to care about an individual woman who was slapped around but at the end of the day, she’s just collateral damage. A violent man will just as likely turn his violence against another man. Femmies can still use a guy like this to bully other men. He still provides utility even if he is dangerous. The MGTOW has denied utility and the Nice Guy is inert, or to put it another way, “harmless.” Yes, harmless is an insult at one’s so-called masculinity.

Allright mofo’s, thank your mom’s for not being full on feminist’s showing how “empowered” they were by aborting you, leaving you in a dirty toilet or feeding your cold carcass to a filthy scoundrel like David Futrelle. It is Mother’s Day after all….

14 thoughts on “How come feminist’s hate Nice Guys and MGTOW’s more than Men Who Beat Women?

  1. Women abhor male weakness. They are deeply envious of apex male power, but that is different than despising men who demonstrate supplication or subordination of any kind. Thats part of what drives the insanity; seeking to disempower men and then despising the resulting weaknesses in most men that the power redistribution inherently fuels. The rest is just self-loathing for both destroying what they know is the source of their own natural power and beauty in the service of this power-grab and knowing they can never truly embody the raw physical and social power comparable to that of men among men.

  2. Lol, my mother and sisters are full on traditionalists…I’m the only female in my family who’s egalitarian.

    I don’t care if someone is MGTOW, I’ve said as much over at my place. I have no desire to be controlled/manipulated, or to do so to anyone else. Enjoying freedom and singlehood, coupled with an upbringing that praised self-reliance, does that. MGTOWs are my kind of people, especially if they’re happy alone.

    My FwB is a “nice guy”, though thankfully he’s not at all chivalrous. One can be nice while still being an equal to ones partner…True nice guys should be the ones bagging all the chicks, honestly. It’s sad that this is not so, and that relatively few nice guys “get the girl”.

  3. As for “male weakness”;

    Of course men have weaknesses, times of doubt, sickness, instability, depression, frustration, sadness, loss, etc. Males and females are both human, and thus both are fully capable of experiencing the entire range of emotions and limitations that plague our species.

    If one ridicules or is disgusted by male weakness, then they should be prepared to have the same reaction to female weakness.
    It’s only fair…

  4. Feminists hate nice guys because nice guys have noticed that there is a problem where if a woman is not pleased with where a relationship is going she is encouraged to leave and find someone compatible with her desires but if a man is not pleased with where a relationship is going he is told he feels entitled to sex. Yes there are some men out there that do actually feel entitled to sex but its not as bad as feminists make it out to be.

    With MGTOW the issue as you say is that such men have decided to just back out of the dating game. Well since feminists have no problem with women who do the exact same thing they had to find some attack angle didn’t they? Well they came up with projecting a reason why such men back out of the dating game. So now when a guy does go the other way its not because he’s been hurt too many times or he has other priorities or anything like that. No its because he supposedly has assumed worst faith in all women.

    That’s why a few weeks ago when Warren Farrell did his AskMeAnything some feminists simply had to attack him even though he was saying that men shouldn’t be in it for nookie so to speak.

    In the long run I think the problem isn’t so much that feminists hate such men but rather they hate that such men are seeing the problems of society and employing their own solutions without running them by feminism first. There aren’t many things that piss a feminist off more than a man that improves himself outside of feminism.

  5. Great post. Nice guy and friend zone phenomenon is feminism at its best. Only women used to be allowed to complain about the other sex. Now thanks to equality, men can complain about women too.

    To understand feminist obsession with nice guys, you have to understand the underlying ideology of feminism. It’s all about maximum freedom for women, and zero responsibility. Women want to have sex with all the bad boys and then when they get mentally or physically hurt, they want to blame the whole male gender. The “nice guys finish last” complaint wants to make women responsible for their actions, which is of course absolutely not acceptable by feminists.

    So they take a male issue and twist it and turn it into “male entitlement” so they can complain about men once again. Of course there also must be “real” nice guys and “bad” nice guys and feminists will decide what these definitions mean.

    Feminists hate low-status men in general. The incredible bashing, shaming and bullying of nice guys is just another aspect of this. It’s truly sad to see. If anyone had a misconception that feminism was a fair and balanced movement, the war against nice guys has surely waken them up from their dreams.

    Feminism are so frustrated with nice guys but unfortunately the stream of nice guys is not ending. A lot of boys can’t find their natural masculinity anymore in this society and of course we will get frustrated men as a result.

  6. I understand totally cause I know myself that I’m one of the many nice guys , but the treatment of a Feminist has turned me off so bad that I’ve decided to become a recluse. I mean how is a person suppose to get in the mood for intimate relationships when all this un-loving angry women are around? I rather eat a chocolate bar instead of having sex. Sex is bullshit anyway. I’m all for Equality that would be awesome, but so many women have told me that Feminism doesn’t stand for Equality anymore. If men have sex then they are shamed, and if men don’t have sex then they are heckled. So what’s happening to the world???. I’m guessing that the future will be “End of Humans” I’m so looking forward to the Afterlife as a earth roaming ghost to find companionship. All I have to do is piss off the right angry feminist and I’m there. Besides the women that kills me will have amazing lesbian sex in the 3 weeks of jail that I get to watch (one of the perks of being a ghost) and I get to enjoy haunting her til’ she goes insane…Awesome!!! So life is short which is good.

  7. Egalitarian here, and I think feminists and you lot are referring to two totally different things. The term “Nice Guy(TM)” is generally used by most feminists to refer to the type that will go on and whine about how he didn’t get sex even though he was so, so nice (implying that he’d have no problem with being a complete asshole otherwise), and then probably proceed to stalk or threaten a woman because he couldn’t take rejection. I hope you can tell where this is all going. Feminists, just like every other type of woman out there, don’t hate “nice guys” because they’re after “bad boy alphas” or some other shit. They hate “nice guys” because said “nice guys” just can’t tell there are other people in this world besides themselves. People just don’t like associating themselves with those who degrade them. This goes for both men and women.
    I hope I cleared that up.

  8. MGTOW came into existence because there was no organized group, with any numbers, taking on the man hating feminists. Feminism long ago dropped any pretense of working for equality in society for men and women, for if it had, the one sided divorce laws, child custody cases, alimony laws, etc. propagated by a rigged legal system would have been corrected years ago. Feminists and their pals the SJW were all too happy to ignore these abuses of men while creating preferences and privileges for women. I offer as an example concerning dating, where fat acceptance is demanded by women while these same women will openly reject a man using something he cannot control which is his height. Look at any online dating site, you will easily find women’s ads shamelessly stating height requirements of men before they can contact them. Can you find in equal numbers weight requirements or breast size in men’s ads? One need only go to reddit and read how women think of short men. Nice guys are even treated worse.

  9. Mr. Boner
    I placed this in another blog concerning heightism.

    In an apartment complex that I lived in Houston, there was a loose knit collection of about 10-15 singles. We would meet at the pool on the weekends, and have informal parities. If one person knew of a singles event, they would inform the rest, and whoever wanted could attend. I even dated one of the girls in the group for a short time.

    In the group, was an attractive girl named Heidi. She was a degreed professional in the oil business. And you couldn’t miss her. She was 5’11”, blonde hair, with blue eyes. Typical for a tall girl, she didn’t have much up top, but she have broad curvy hips and an hour glass waist. She, needless to say, she got the attention of single men.

    One Saturday, I was catching rays and drinking beer with some of the other guys at the apartment complex pool, when one man I knew walked up to the group of us. He stated he had proposed to Heidi, and she had turned him down. He approached us in the off chance that someone might know Heidi and put the good word in for him with her. Months later, I was at my section’s pool of the apartment complex. There was a water polo game in progress, one man about 10 feet away me on my left, was playing boom box, and about 10 feet in the other direction were two girls from the group talking about how Heidi had rejected two other men’s marriage proposals. I wasn’t getting all the details of the conversation due to noise at the pool and that fact I didn’t really care, so I don’t know if the two girls were jealous of Heidi getting the attention of these two men, or if these women were mocking these men as losers, due to Heidi rejecting them. But the point here is not only was Heidi getting the attention of single men, but marriage proposals.

    Fast forward 12 years, one child and one divorce later on my part. A friend wanted me to join a dating agency. He would get a bonus if I joined, and I could join at a discount. I said before I join, I wanted to see what the single girls in the agency look like. I was given a binder of women 30-34 years of age. In the binder were pages of women. At the top of the page, in about 1 inch high letters was the girl’s name, then below that a 2″x3″ photo of her and below that 3 or 4 paragraphs that she wrote of herself. I started looking, when I got to page 7 or 8, I noticed the name Heidi. I took a good look, and it was her. I quickly scanned her paragraphs. I remembered a phrase of one sentence, it read, “34 years old, never married, no children.” I thought how could this be? I knew of three men who wanted to marry her, and in the 12 years that had passed there must have been more. How was it possible she never married given all the advantages she had? What dating parameters did she employ that failed her so miserably that resulted in her being a childless spinster given all the physical advantages she had?

    In a social setting, if she were not the most desirable girl, she certainly was one of the more desirable girls. And I am here to tell you Heidi could have had absolutely any man she wanted, and I mean absolutely any man. If a poll had been taken by the single guys in the complex of who would be the childless spinster at the age of 34, I am here to tell you Heidi’s name would not have been at the top of the list. What had she done with her life? How was it possible she never married? Did she think at the age of 34, she would have a bigger and better selection of single males than when she was 24?

    I suspect in her 20’s, she had a male qualification list as long as her inseam, and if a male were lacking any one of these parameters, the guy was rejected. She kept saying no to men, until there were no men to say no, to.

    I also suspect that since all during her early years, she was used to getting plenty of male attention, and assumed her future would be like her past. Why would it change? In her years 17-26, she most likely was the crème de la crème of women. But as she entered her late 20’s, much to her dismay, there were lots of younger girls, many prettier and more approachable, meaning shorter. At 5’11”, she was taller than 99% of the women, 80% of the men and at 28 years of age, older than 90% of both men and women in a single’s bar. She stood out like a sore thumb due to her height and age.

    How her story ends? I don’t know. I didn’t join the dating agency. But it was Heidi’s actions and Heidi’s actions alone that made her single. I bet never in her worse nightmares, did she ever think she would be a childless spinster at the age of 34. She wasted her youth and fertility using extremely flawed dating parameters that she created and imposed on herself and refused to change in spite of years of obvious failure. I can’t say for sure, but I will bet a dollar to a dime, she was a heightist, which made her dating life even harder to forfill.

    Another heightist story
    Albany, NY.
    I was taking a training class in Albany, NY, in the year 2000. A co-worker was looking over a singles web site on a computer during a class break. The site allowed you to read personal ads, but to write, you needed to join the site. I remember seeing a photo of a girl 20, who looked marginal at best, between a 6.5 to 7. We’re not talking about a Kate Upton look-a-like, but rather a plain girl. She was 6’1”. She said in her introduction that it would be hard for you (the reader) to believe that she would most likely be alone this weekend. She claimed to be a wonderful person, fun, outgoing, friendly and intelligent. She stated she was “tall, VERY tall”. And “Shorties need not apply.” How is that for a condescending attitude? I wonder how her life ended up? Did she become another Heidi?

    Sharon was a 35 year old divorced woman. She was 5’6” and average in looks and weight. She didn’t have any extraordinary physical characteristic that would distinguish her from any other female her age. She didn’t have a beautiful face or big breasts (maybe an A cup). She didn’t have an hour-glass figure or a Kim Kardashian ass. All in all, she was just average. She didn’t have a college degree and had no income generating skills. She was broke and living at her parent’s home with her 2 children from a failed marriage. One day, she is talking to my wife and says this. She will not date a man below 6’ AND he has to have a good income because he has to support her and her 2 children. When I heard this, my reaction was, Sharon is either insane or a delusional narcissist. Did she think that there was a severe shortage of broke women with children and that 6’ plus wealthy men just can’t get enough of them? That somehow a broke, divorced, 35 year old woman, average in looks with two kids was what every 6’ plus successful man wanted.
    Well, surprisingly she did get what she wanted —– sort of. She did get married, at the age of 40, to a man barely an inch taller than herself. I can’t speak of his income, but he is karate instructor, so I doubt he made a 6 figure income that she demanded 5 years earlier.
    What happened to the 6’ height man requirement? It would be interesting to know how many good men she rejected due to their height from the years 35-40? Maybe if she had used a man’s character as a measure him rather than his inseam, she would have found someone sooner or maybe if she used character as the most import factor years earlier, she would have found the right man in the first place, for her ex was 6’4”.

    In all my years of men friends, co-workers and acquaintances, not one time did I ever hear any man ever state he would refuse to date a woman because she was too tall. I can remember guys talking about long legs of certain girls at the beach or at bars. But again, never did any of my friends or acquaintances ever state they would reject a girl due to her height. I can’t say that about women, for I have heard plenty of women state they would not date a man due to his height. This can be easily verified by looking at any personal ads in the newspaper or web sites where women clearly state height requirements, with no exceptions.
    I have traveled the world. I have worked in 20 countries, and I can tell you the number one topic among men is women. And in all my years, I can tell you I never heard any man, anywhere, anytime, ever say he would refuse to date a woman because she was too tall. But as for women, you can go to any dating site, and I say again, any dating site and see height restrictions for men spelled out in no uncertain terms where women clearly state men’s height requirements, with no exceptions.

    1. Feminists and others would usually say that if a man was having trouble getting dates, it was because because “he was shooting out of his league.” Ironically, a man who is 5’5 might have a better shot with a supermodel than an obese single mom who would only date a 6′ foot tall guy who made 6 figures. A supermodel might be more open to the short guy if he brought other things to the table. I actually thought of something I read about economics. We hear the economy is getting better but wages in many sectors aren’t rising and employers are really picky. Many people have been spending years doing gigs, rideshare and part-time jobs. Employers don’t seem to understand why their job with a list of 50 requirements that pays almost a dollar over minimum wage just isn’t desirable to most people….

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